11/08/2026
Biochemistry says life runs on genes and molecules. Nirosha Murugan’s lab has spent years finding the layer underneath that: bioelectric and biophotonic signals that a brainless slime mold uses to make decisions, and that might explain how cells organize, heal, and even how cancer shows up in light before it shows up anywhere else.
In this conversation, Anders Indset sits down with Nirosha J. Murugan, Canada Research Chair in Tissue Biophysics at Wilfrid Laurier University, to ask what biology looks like once you stop assuming chemistry explains everything.
They explore:
- Why biochemistry alone can’t explain life, and what the missing electromagnetic layer looks like
- A definition of energy as potential for transformation, not a molecule
- How Physarum, a brainless slime mold, senses and makes decisions
- Why intelligence may not require subjective experience, and what that means for AGI
- The Quantum Memory Matrix and whether information predates matter
- Whether biology runs on quantum processes, and what the microtubule research actually shows so far
- Why death may be structurally necessary for growth and new intelligence to emerge
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